panel notes


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                                            -INTRO


                                            Welcome to another Horse Facts and Horsey Horse Worldbuilding

                                            >Another Panel for content creators and horsey appreciators.

                                            (She's coming in a minute)


                                            How is babby formed, how mare get pregnt


                                            -OVERVIEW

                                            This what we'll be covering this panel.


                                            >Touching up on physiology.

                                            Sometimes physiology affeccts behavior, so I'll go over the important bits.

                                            Maybe we can do a separate one just for horse parts.

                                            >Practical application of horse expressions

                                            Last time we largely saw expressions and actions, now we'll see some of these in more specific situations.

                                            >Covering mares, foaling, foals, and general horseplay.

                                            MEAT OF THE PANEL

                                            >Exploring further worldbuilding from reference gathering.

                                            Last time we learned how to gather reference, I'll do my best to cover what to do after that point.

                                            knowledge from the last panel will apply


                                            showpity taken in forest

                                            -HORSEY ANATOMY


                                            Before we discuss these topics here,

                                            In horse genetics today, there are no breeds of horse out in the wild that weren't domesticated at one point.

                                            Some of the traits we are able to guess at, because of comparison with prezewalski horses (Which are sort of wild but still are domesticated.)


                                            Wild herbivores tend to be less talkative

                                            Still very curious but very cautious.

                                            Drink water very infrequently. (about once every 2 days)

                                            Dun coloration (Dark dorsal stripe and socks, white belly.)


                                            Equestrian ponies would be ponies that have never had this contact, so there's some freedom in wiggle room for how they'd behave and would depend on your individual setting.

                                            One thing to note, is that at one point in our history, horses were once truly wild but their curiosity got the better of them anyways, despite us being obvious predators.


                                            >Eye and snoot whiskers

                                            perfect for smooching.

                                            Horses use these to not poke their eye out when grazing or investing objects.

                                            Horses have bad depth perception compared to us, so if these are trimmed they can injure their face.

                                            >Snoot

                                            is crescent shaped when grabbing, and gets wider with snoof intake.

                                            >Neck Crest

                                            Big fat storage area.

                                            Would be a little pudgy during fall, when horses try and eat a bit more to grow in that winter coat.

                                            When the horse shakes you can see bigger crests flop back and fourth

                                            Collared wear could be a fashions choice to accentuate the neck crest

                                            compliment your waifu's lovelely shapen neck crest next time you see her.

                                            >Dorsal Stripe

                                            dun coloration, perfect for smooching all the way down.

                                            >Foamy Horse Sweat

                                            Foams up due to latherin

                                            Perfect for cooling off

                                            Comes out like regular sweat but gets agitated in the fur and froths

                                            Also find in mare spittle

                                            Horse blowjobs would be messy

                                            >Horse hair/fur

                                            More course than humans. Your waifu would love nibbling on your hair with her weird horsey lips.

                                            Winter coat grows in when nights get longer

                                            >Ergot

                                            Vestigial toe nail that can be peeled off

                                            usually worn down by the farrier.

                                            In the show the ponies are seen going to the spa ponies a lot. Maybe they'd be an icon serving as a place of recreation and to get their hooves and ergot tended to.

                                            >More guts

                                            Generally the more plant fiber an animal eats, he bigger the guts.

                                            More guts = more energy burned in digestion

                                            so they'd have had to stop being nomadic way earlier than humans to start agriculture in order to get enough energy.

                                            possible with earth pony fuckery.

                                            Could be a reason they seem to only occupy one big general area in the world.

                                            EQUESTRIA

                                            >Tail Dock

                                            Perfect for smooching and popping

                                            >Hoof walls

                                            are hard, but they're also flexible at the walls to help circulation

                                            Also natural shock absorption which gets lost if a horse shoe is put on.

                                            frogs aren't sensitive as people think, but they can pick up temperature.

                                            Sometimes I like to do a little nod to the fact that unicorns were dipicted with goat hooves, which have harder hoof walls for climbing easier.

                                            And write that unicorns are still uneven toed ungulates, but have harder hooves than the rest of the tribe, which would give them and advantage in living high up in mountain homes. but make it so that they get sore and tired way faster in a straight endurance match with an earthpony.

                                            Horse shoes would still be in use in heavy manual labor, more notably, a taxi carriage. There would be a big need for them in manehatten, as the harsh roads would quickly wear on unprotected hooves.


                                            >Tail bone

                                            Longer than people think,

                                            end reaches the back of the know when relaxed

                                            Tail can move in nearly any direction and like dogs, can pin if the horse is scared or tense.

                                            popopop

                                            >Splint

                                            The tibia and fibia is merged, giving it less flexibility

                                            important to note

                                            >No Clavicle

                                            Can raise legs but can't put them forward to grab things like humans or rodent.

                                            Evolved for one toe and higher hocks for burst speed.

                                            >Hocks and canon

                                            The longer the hock, the better the burst speed, look at animals like deer.

                                            Animals with short hocks or flat feet are typically slow to build up speed but legs can take a lot more strain.

                                            >Not flexible laterally

                                            Can't really pull the legs outward comfortably, that's why farriers working on horse legs have to be practically leaning on the horse or it overextends the leg


                                            >Talk proportion

                                            (top right)

                                            Hock lines up with back of the hip

                                            Hock lines up with front knee

                                            Front legs line up with withers

                                            head height variable.


                                            -next


                                            >Circular pupils

                                            are usually only found in larger daytime predators, even low light conditions. tigers, wolves, humans.

                                            Perhaps, would also be a very big tell that we're predators, in conjuction with forward facing eyes.

                                            Slitted eye animals are usually very small or crawl on their belly, all ambush predators.

                                            >Flat pupils

                                            Have a greater degree of sight

                                            Herbivore eyes rotate in their head.

                                            horses cannot make out details or see strong

                                            edges. They have trouble focusing on objects, especially those that are near to

                                            them.


                                            Equine eyes are eight times larger than human eyes, larger than those of any

                                            other land mammal. But a horse’s acuity is considerably worse than ours


                                            >Heart

                                            mares have pure hearts and kind spirits

                                            Even in small poners and mini horses, their heart rapes goes at a rate of -28-40 bpm

                                            Humans have the same pbm as a yearling 60 to 100

                                            You could east your head on your waifu and dall asleep to her comfy slow heart beat.

                                            >Snowpity

                                            The source of mareness.

                                            If you shake the mare, and press your ear to her cutie mark, you can hear her snowpity hum.

                                            >Pitty

                                            perfect for scratching

                                            >Mare bits

                                            Internal clitoris that can be pushed outward (with another set of muscles pulling the lips apart)

                                            Pale in Anestrus

                                            Reddish pink with thicker walls and cervix in estrus

                                            pushing a finger into the side of the mare bits, only the tip of your finger should sink

                                            If not, there's deformity in the pelvic floor and stallions find it hard to insert.

                                            >Masseter

                                            Chewey muscles, for grazing

                                            allows for great bite force.

                                            predator bite power usually stems from the temporalis, less flexible but better leverage.

                                            Horses can bite at a force 2 ½ pounds per inch than a human

                                            >Triceps

                                            big driving force a long with powerful leg muscles.

                                            >Aponerosis

                                            KICKY THING

                                            Can remember it because it has the word poner in it.

                                            Anchored lateral moving muscles, and has muscles laid over it. Latissimus dorsi (broad back) tensor facia late (tense band lateral)

                                            in humans itt' overs most of the back from thereres major downwards, (downward from scapula muscles)


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                                            -RECEPTIVE BEHAVIOR


                                            Last time talked lean and walk back

                                            First one is the straddling posture, she'll widen her legs to stabilize herself so you can mount.

                                            Younger mares will be mood swingy and more subtle in their signs, older mares will be pushy and/or straight to the point.


                                            -NONRECEPTIVE BEHAVIOR


                                            as long as you don't blowhorn meme them, they'll give you a bunch of signs before they bite, kick, or lunge

                                            Usually accompanied by squealing.


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                                            -WHEN TO MATE WITH YOUR MAREFRIEND?


                                            -ESTROUS CYCLE


                                            >Mares are long day breeders

                                            more active in spring and summer when the dbays are longer.

                                            thick/longer mare fur (wintercoat) = less sexually active


                                            There are a couple exceptions, like Arabian mares mate all year round

                                            Before we get into the signs, here's some fun facts about the word itself.


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                                            estrus (n.)

                                            First attested 1890 with specific meaning "rut in animals, sexual heat."


                                            From Latin Oestrus


                                            *denotes that it's a reconstructed word

                                            ire (n.) Ira, latin


                                            -WHEN TO BONE YOUR MARE

                                            Now you know how to court your mare, but when is the best time to bone her?


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                                            -SIGNS OF HEAT


                                            restlessness

                                            irritableness

                                            tail flagging

                                            winking urination

                                            moodswingy

                                            squealing vocalization

                                            Fence pushing (Desire to do this over eating and resting. )

                                            urination


                                            >Reminder that older mares will be very forwatd with these signs, while younger mares will try and be more subtle.


                                            -PREGNANCY


                                            Like in humans, first sign is a loss of a cycle

                                            mare can show reluctance to get mounted again and exhibit general lethargy

                                            They'll avoid big movements like shaking.

                                            changes in teats and bloated torso

                                            These are not sure tells, best to use ultrasound to confirm.


                                            -PRECOPULATORY


                                            >Reminder for Anons that didn't see the last panel

                                            back before pon3

                                            Last time, showed how to engage with foreplay with a mare, which includinesed sniffing her shoulder and flank, chin and chest bumping her, rolling, and tenst mounts.

                                            Some more include grooming. Stallions will normally groom the mare on and near the rump without reciprocation (Horses greatly enjoy Allogrooming)


                                            -COPULATORY


                                            The way horses mate is to mount.

                                            the stamina meme is very real. Stallions will last 9-30 seconds (about 7-9 thrusts and 7-12 ejaculations.)

                                            They also flag their tails while mating.

                                            stallions usually grab this area when mounting.

                                            >her neck crest would be like grabbing ass?


                                            Stallions often mate with a mare, a minimum of 2-3 times a day, sometimes only minutes apart


                                            Other positions is possible, but, again, lateral movement isn't that great.

                                            So if your setting has smaller mares, careful not to put too much downward force on her hips, as this would hyperextend the joints.

                                            >Reminder about SACKING OUT


                                            -HOBBLE TRAIN


                                            Phey animals also have a fear of being caught and cornered so, like I mentioned last pane, you might have to sack out/desensitize her to that feeling.

                                            >Reminder that a snort means the horse is cautious or upset about something

                                            >Don't worry, she's fine.


                                            -POSTCOPULATORY


                                            Mares will get into a straddling position afterwards, which allows some semen to drip out. This used to worry horse breeders in the old days.


                                            Sometimes, especially first timers might collapse or favor laying down afterwards.


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                                            -FOALING

                                            Now you've gotten your mare pregnant.

                                            Horse gestation is 11-12 months

                                            Mares prefer being isolated (own room in hospital with little to no visitation?)

                                            >Mares will travel up to 3 miles away from herd to give birth (younger mares won't go as far)

                                            or with as much little intrusion as possible in captivity

                                            failure to comply can cause a mare to reject the foal

                                            80% of births are between 12-6am

                                            (Like with some of old human religions, this might associate fertility with the moon.)

                                            equestrians in the past (or present)might revere luna as some firtility god

                                            >Close to foaling, the mare will:

                                            become restless (Young mares = more restless)

                                            stand up and lay down repeatedly.

                                            She will sweat a lot, more so around the flanks

                                            urination and flemen.


                                            >Reminder that mares will grunt when getting up, laying down, even moreso with foal. More in foalbirth


                                            -MOMMA MARES


                                            >precocial animals.

                                            Unlike most predators and rodents, including humans, foals come out fully cognitive. allowing them to stand and walk minutes after birth.


                                            Mare will chin nude the foal shortly after it learns to stand, to teach it to nurse.

                                            If the foal bites her teats too hard, she will pin her ears, move, and lift her leg. (She'll add thread kick and nipping as the foal becomes older)

                                            Mare will stay isolated with the foal for imprinting, in where they recognize each others scent and bond.


                                            Realistically, in Equestria, your foals would follow you around like little ducklings and start to learn social cues, mannerisms, and possibly exhibit babbling and rudimentary speech a lot faster than a human. Most of these things will be taught by the momma mare.


                                            -THE MARE IS THE TEACHER


                                            Mares are very good teachers by nature, as unlike with other herbivores, which tend to group their young together to let them figure things out.

                                            When humans act retarded around a mare, like displaying aggressive or predatory signs, she'll often correct the human as if he was a foal, which includes nipping and a threat kick.


                                            Picture is not to mistake a mare with a foal being aggressive. Mares will even chase off lead stallions and kick the shit out of other horses if they get to close for comfort.


                                            In the show, Affirmation from little Twilight's mother to allow Celestia to mentor her as a protege is likely seen as much more significant. Mare caretakers in schools, would be much preferred over stallions. When allowed, stallions normally just play with foals, instead of teaching them anything socially important.


                                            >Mare block

                                            If a mare isn't ready for you to interact with the foal, she will get between you and the foal, she will show aggression if you don't heed this obvious warning.


                                            -see mare radii

                                            Other herbivores, namely goats tend to group their young with eachother for play


                                            In the first week of birth, (see mare radii), A new foal will scarcely leave a distance of one meter from the mother, and a foal under a week old won't go further than 5 meters.


                                            Play with other foals only happen when these radii interact with 2 momma mares.


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                                            -PLAY


                                            Here we see differences in physiology

                                            Larger head, shorter torso, thin legs.

                                            mane, whiskers and tail are still quite short, and look like brush pads.


                                            In the show, they're seen with beady eyes, which might indicate that our smaller eyes have a neotenous quality to them.

                                            Just as their large eyed adults are neotenous to us.

                                            It may be seen as cute.


                                            >remind from last panel, foal play is 100% non-combative. They learn to playfight around yearling age (usually colts)


                                            >Remind that horses are extrememly animated when being playful.

                                            Head bobbing

                                            Repetitive tail lashing

                                            higher leg raises when moving around.


                                            >Clacking (Reminder)

                                            When a foal opens it's mouth and clacks it's teeth together.

                                            Sometimes accompanied by a pseudo nursing pose.

                                            "I want to play" or "I'm just playing around."

                                            Sometimes adolescent horses will attempt this to try and get away with being a shid, but it doesn't work too well.


                                            -KINDS OF PLAY


                                            >Manipulative

                                            interacting with objects (including biological stuff like, momma mare mane and tail pulling, pawing at humans)

                                            >Locomotive

                                            any play performed in motion

                                            >Sexual

                                            Mounting and nuzzling behavior

                                            includes nuzzling and exploration of more private areas


                                            >there's also fighting for yearlings and older horses, especially young stallions


                                            -Play with either be:

                                            >Solitary

                                            more common with younger foals.

                                            >Social


                                            At about 8 weeks they'll be playing with others almost full time.


                                            During all these the foal will playfully vocalize horse sounds.


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                                            -Manipulative PLAY


                                            >Callback to investigation

                                            Even old horses will act like their tail is on fire f they see somethign new and interesting to play with

                                            Early on, when foals are closer to momma

                                            Foals can begin Manipulative play as early as 2 hours afterbirth (most nipping at momma's tail, or whatever's near it on the ground.)

                                            >Momma mares are often the focus of foal play, even if she's not receptive


                                            In Equestria, your foals would likely like holding your pant leg or hand to play with it.

                                            Perhaps yours for foals with be moving and modular, with different shaped and textures it can try grabbing with it's tiny weird horse lips.


                                            -next


                                            Some more largely Manipulative play, kick up and veering being somewhat locomotive as well.


                                            >Play mounting is a kind of sexual play

                                            inb4 uoh

                                            >reminder Curcling veering is something horses do when alarmed and trying to show how strong they are.


                                            -Next


                                            Here we have some that are largely locomotive, though games like to and from,

                                            which is technically interacting with a land mark, is also considered mostly Manipulative.


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                                            -HORSE PLAY IN THE SHOW.

                                            >Going to go over some games seen in the show. and how we can relate it to horsey behavior.


                                            -pranking


                                            >Reminder that unlike cows, horses are very forgiving and only banish trouble horses from the band in extreme cases (They often leave the band on their own volition to socialize and make friends with those their age, color and social status. Even younger stallions)

                                            This is very in line with why horses need to be investigative as a survival skill, so they don't spook from mundane bullshit and can focus on looking out for actual danger.

                                            They likely wouldn't be mad for long, if they even get to that point.

                                            If we're taking horsey sack-out behavior into consideration, pranks for ponies would be largely to spook them with strange things (like carrying giant boxes) that they haven't seen before.

                                            Since mares can't read detail quick enough, it'd be much more effective than with a predator.


                                            -to and from racing


                                            Rainbow Dash and Gilda are seen doing this in Griffin the Brush-Off.


                                            -rodeo


                                            Horses are able to jump obstacles in real life, but generally don't like to because it's very difficult. constant jumping past foal age can be harsh on the joints.

                                            This is why a lot of accidents happen where the horse won't jump and a person gets launched off their back.

                                            even if they have worse depth perception than us, you'll often see them lift their head 1-2 strides before hand which would help them judge distance a little more before jumping.

                                            >Horses that get better at this do so by

                                            for throwing haybales, that's just general manupulative play, a step up from that tossing they like to do.


                                            -writing, reading, drawing, playing with blocks


                                            more of liesure than play for writing

                                            Horses have god-tier pattern recognition, it makes sense that they'd enjoy an activity that stimulates it.


                                            -Manipulative play with toys


                                            nothing added, horses play with objects like this in real life.

                                            In the show, Manipulative play with playground structures are also seen.


                                            -quiet game


                                            domesticated animals become more talkative, because of saftey and interaction with chatty humans.

                                            horses unsure, but they probably have some kind of culture for keeping quiet, enough to turn it into a game.


                                            -buckball


                                            Back to bad depth perception, any sport with a fast moving ball would be exceedingly difficult, especially with how fast the ball moves.

                                            Would be more horsey, if the ball had a rope going through it, the rope itself having an easy to grab grassy texture, and the game played a little more like rugby, in where you can toss and drop it behind you, to a friend, and to carry it to a landmark where they'd get a point.